Paper patched 308 bullets 2nds

Would be of interest to research this,not only would make it easier but teflon tape is verry slippery. Then the bullet is rolled in the paper, as tight as possible, to the left. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. Paper patched bullets are made by winding a piece of paper, usually twice, around a lead bullet. You can clearly see the paper patch leaves the barrel intact around the bullet at 00. In the final chapter, he gives a quick summary of what works. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. When it exits the muzzle of the rifle, it is spinning in a clockwise direction at tremendous rpms. I have never heard of anyone using a paper patched conical bullet in a muzzle loader. The usual load for paper patch is the listed starting load for jacketed bullets, with slower powder being preferable. I found the lead cast bullets not to my liking and would like to spend the time to paper patch one of these days. Note that if you are loading heavy bullets with slow powders, you may have difficulty seating the bullet deep enough to clear the rifling or fit in the magazine of your rifle. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs.

In the 1870s, paper patch bullets were available from sharps as hard as 1. Harrison published his findings in the american rifleman and the nras compilation tome. For the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. In the early 1900s, paper patching was the highest technology for accuracy. I have seen 2 types of conical bullets for muzzle loaders. The excess paper at the bottom is then twisted tight against the bottom of the bullet. Cant imagine doing it with a jacketed bullet, but then again, i havent tried it. I melt bees wax and add olive oil until its just about as soft as bar soap when cool.

For those who dont want to cast, 308 bullets can be paper patched. In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets. The folks i know who paper patch use a sizer to get the diameter just right after wrapping. The gun used is a gamo varmint hunter hp 1,400fps spring.

The cannelure on each bullet is precisely located to provide the proper overalllength oal for fast, troublefree feeding. Secant ogive designpioneered by hornady for use in hunting bullets, this technology broke new ground in ballistic engineering and is now used in bullets for everything from match to varmint. If i recall, the cannalures on the original mh bullet were from the crimping operation at the factory and were very shallow. Generally the patched bullet is bore diameter or slightly larger. Whether you choose an fmj bullet for its deep, boneshattering penetration or its ability to protect the integrity of the pelt, youll find the perfect full metal jacket in our traditional line. We are a custom shop specializing in creating premium, hand cast bullets for all handloaders including recreational and competitive shooters. This for you old or ancient guys paper patched bullets gun. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. And even paper patched some bullets for my 375 hh improved to shoot deer with. As velocity increased and rifling was introduced a problem of lead remaining in the bore was of concern. Whitworth block for paper patched bullets show all the details. And finally, paul matthewss jewel, the paper jacket, tells of his quest for top performance from what he calls a practical paper patched bullet. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons.

That shooter was using a 3855 and sizing his patched bullets at the bench just before breech seating them. Whether youre making bulk ammo for plinking, creating the perfect hunting round, or building the best ammunition for a 500 yard shot, midsouth has the right. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a paper patch to obtain top velocities with poured slugs. After having an interest for a long time, i finally decided to make a very small investment and experiment with paper patched bullets. Dont get me wrong, grease grooved bullets were used too, but the majority of hunters during the 1870s and 80s preferred paper patch ammo in their sharps, rolling blocks and ballards. The last time i saw anyone using paper patched bullets at a match was the 1986 coors match at golden. I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle.

On half the bullets, i installed a gas check, while the other half did without. I experimented with paper patching in 8x57 patching a. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. Pretty cool you take the time to load for it and shoot it. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience.

Harrison and the staff at the american rifleman worked with paperpatched bullets in the. Mar 06, 2014 reloading 577450 paper patched martinihenry round duration. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Tried two loads with two powders n150 and imr4350 in the 257 roberts handi. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. These are pretty soft but i have never bothered to check the hardness.

However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets. Seat the bullet to bring the patch against the barrel forcing cone. Note how the upper point of that angle cut is the last to be rolled. There is some question about whether the accuracy improvements result from the paper jackets or from the greater uniformity of shooting procedures by people with the patience to apply the patches. New paper patch approach by ed wosika linkedin slideshare. Next i had mountain molds make a 280 grain mold in. Jul 02, 2009 the only paper patched bullets for black powder i am familiar with are those used in black powder cartridge rifles like a sharps 1874.

The paper i used was plain old letter writing paper. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a. I have a 3 groove bullet that i would be using this on. The 308 winchester is an inherently accurate cartridge, and is at its best with mediumtofast burning powders like varget and blc2. A small number of dedicated target shooters still load paper patched bullets at velocities up to about 2,000 feet per second 610 ms. One of the earlier attempts, which is still popular today with muzzle loaders and users of black.

The first try was prompted by another posting here regarding steyr 8x56r carbines which turned out to have a groove diameter. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. Im not sure if either of these ideas would survive being loaded in. Paper patching muzzle loader bullets alaska outdoors forums. Photo at far right shows the wrapped paper patched whitworth bullet. Paper patched bullets were merely the forerunners of modern jacketed bullets. For those who are interested in full power with cast bullets in such calibers as.

Years ago i did some of that paper patching for a 3006 spfld according to the harris developments. Patching with teflon tape was reading an article about paper patched bullets when i stumbled on an article about useing teflon tape instead. The pp guys over at the cast boolets forum routinely talk about patching and sizing full diameter bullets with success. Once i figured out i didnt need all that velocity for cast to work properly. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. The jacketed spitzer is more efficient at longer ranges as it loses energy more slowly than a roundnosed bullet. Now, i my interest in cast bullets is rekindled, mostly for bpcr, but also would like to. In fact paper patched shooters have been winning the creedmoor matches at lodi, wisconsin on a regular basis since 2010, often taking two of the top three places. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine. Ive had good success with these bullets and am very impressed with the whelens capabilities using paper patched bullets. Im not sure if either of these ideas would survive being loaded in a semiauto. Unless you are going to swage them from lead wire, pure lead is a pain to cast.

The bullets im actually interested in paper patching would be for the. Nov 19, 2014 in that instance, the bullet can be patched with the front end of the patch extending just beyond the start of the ogive point cone because such bullets are normally seated deeply, with the front of the drivingband section jammed into the leade cone, which is often located just ahead of the case mouth. Lay the bullet on a wood board and roll with a new mill bastard file to knurl the surface and the patch will hold. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. How in the world would one go about preparing such ammunition today. Cant remember all the details on the weight of the paper i used and such, but it didnt work too well in the small bore. I could go on with many more famous hunters that preferred paper patch bullets. Making fullvelocity, soft cast lead, paper patched bullets. The megamite is especially useful for large bore calibers from. I use ordinary printer paper but many use lined note pad paper which is thinner. Another idea im testing, since the existing sabots dont seem to open consistently at low velocities and the paper patched shot very well but had consistent loading problems to the patch i recently tried using resteraunt grade food wrap saran wrap instead of. It was only with the introduction of long, spitzerpoint jacketed bullets that paper patching lost favor. Killing effects of paper patched bullets in 4570 and 45. Assra forum paper patched bullets smooth or grooved.

However, the lead bullets i make for patching are designed to fit the diameter of the bore, not the groove, which means the paper patch is at least partly cut. A breech seater is used to load, the same as used to load a greasegroove bullet. The guy was right, you can size those paper patched bullets down. I have shoot both 180 and 220 jacketed bullets and find the 220s to my liking. The actual bullet is extremely hard to duplicate so most of us with 1889s look at the 3040 krag loads and start at that point. The art of paper patching, how to make your paper patched boolits 3006 series duration. Has anyone won a bpcr competition using paper patch bullets. The use of paper patched bullets is especially known from the buffalo hunts on the american prairies where millions of the shaggy beasts fell for paper patched bullets. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. It gets addictive, and you end up looking for bullet molds when you start looking at a firearm.

Harrison and the staff at the american rifleman worked with paper patched bullets in the. Unfortunately hunting season is only 9 days here so i havent been able to test these babies on game. I also did it about 15yrs ago with a 1895 that had the microgroove rifling. Ive been working on refining my load for my 45120 with 550gr paper patch bullets. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load. Oct 06, 2011 the bp is previously compressed to a depth that will give me the. Expanding the case mouth enough to accept the patched bullet without tearing the paper. However, in the movie, they mention the fact that the bullett match was metallurgical, not ballistic, using the signature straitions of a barrell. I use smooth sided home made molds with nose pour and a base plug which can be varied to adjust the bullet length and hence weight. One of them would likely be fine after your bullets are patched but the bullet size before patching is a very critical match to your patch material first. A selection of historic, british military ammunition. Accurate bpcr paper patch bullets mississippi gun owners. It is a myth that paper patch bullets need to be pure lead. You can also watch as the paper patch comes off the bullet between the muzzle at 00.

Brent danielson has won the long range match there a number of times with paper patched. Id cut a large batch of patches in front of the tv. Please post what you find,it sounds interesting and would like to know how fast you can push them and of corse accuracy being the main consern also. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. Paper patched bullets the curio and relic firearms forum. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with. If you have a question that isnt answered in our bullet information, resources, or faq pages, send an email or give a call.

I also did some hunting rifle paper patching very successfully with my 358 win see other 35 cal thread. The single lap patch has the edges cut square unlike the angle edges of a doublelap patch, and the edges butt when wrapped on a bullet. A beginners guide to loading and shooting paper patched bullets for early black powder cartridge rifles. This for you old or ancient guys paper patched bullets. I think paper patching is best left to the big bore stuff like. Perfect for reloading your spent hunting and training casings, the 308 win is a powerful bullet style great for a variety of applications. After hammering out the bullet, i tried moistening the bullets with felix lube, and sizing was easy after that. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. I also would think these would make an excellent hunting. Would paper patching reduce leading in s rifled barrel. Why did they paper patch bullets in the movie shooter. A beginners guide for learning to load and shoot paper patched bullets by randolph s.

When making paper patched bullets i normally dont use a cannalured bullet, as i have found the paper sometimes gets nipped by the cannalures and fails to shed completely at the muzzle. Lube grooves add drag to a bullet, so for better long range bc the smooth sided, paper patched bullet is technically. I also made a patching jig so that the paper on the bullets were all the same. Paper patching lead bullets british militaria forums. When they were made commercially this was done by hand, usually involving female fingers. Is paper patching a fair replacement for lube in a black powder rifle for conicals.

Please post what you find,it sounds interesting and would like to know how fast you can push them and of corse accuracy. Swaged paper patched bullets are both more precise and easier and faster to make than cast paper patch bullets, since one stroke completes the bullet at exact diameter, and there is no lead to melt if one uses lead wire. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. The minor difference wasnt worth the effort of making the special mold. Most shooters, given quality ppbs and proper loading techniques.

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